Comments for HSI Developer Blog http://hsidev.wordpress.com Just another WordPress.com weblog Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:13:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU Comment on Fine, SOA may not be a City. What about a religion? by Beginner’s Mind « HSI Developer Blog http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/fine-soa-may-not-be-a-city-what-about-a-religion/#comment-167 Beginner’s Mind « HSI Developer Blog Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:18:03 +0000 http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/fine-soa-may-not-be-a-city-what-about-a-religion/#comment-167 [...] others are cheap decoys, yadda yadda. This part of the culture is best served by the religion metapFine, SOA may not be a City. What about a religion?hor, though, and there is no avoiding the phenomenon: humans are extremely religious creatures and [...] [...] others are cheap decoys, yadda yadda. This part of the culture is best served by the religion metapFine, SOA may not be a City. What about a religion?hor, though, and there is no avoiding the phenomenon: humans are extremely religious creatures and [...]

]]> Comment on Foundations of Programming - free ALT.NET e-book by Beginner’s Mind « HSI Developer Blog http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/foundations-of-programming-free-altnet-e-book/#comment-166 Beginner’s Mind « HSI Developer Blog Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:03:52 +0000 http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/foundations-of-programming-free-altnet-e-book/#comment-166 [...] Atwood and Scott Hanselman write about this eloquently. Karl Seguin recently published an e-book about ALT.NET, and in the introduction to the book relates his experience of being able to truly grow as a [...] [...] Atwood and Scott Hanselman write about this eloquently. Karl Seguin recently published an e-book about ALT.NET, and in the introduction to the book relates his experience of being able to truly grow as a [...]

]]> Comment on SimpleServiceBus on CodePlex (a fork of nServiceBus) by ESB’s for the Microsoft (.NET) Platform « HSI Developer Blog http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/simple-service-bus-on-codeplex-a-fork-of-nservicebus/#comment-154 ESB’s for the Microsoft (.NET) Platform « HSI Developer Blog Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:02:45 +0000 http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/simple-service-bus-on-codeplex-a-fork-of-nservicebus/#comment-154 [...] Service Bus is our own derivative (fork) of nServiceBus. Full details on the project can be found here, but the idea was to take the reliability and simple API found in nServiceBus and add in the [...] [...] Service Bus is our own derivative (fork) of nServiceBus. Full details on the project can be found here, but the idea was to take the reliability and simple API found in nServiceBus and add in the [...]

]]> Comment on ESB’s for the Microsoft (.NET) Platform by Simple Service Bus on CodePlex (a fork of nServiceBus) « HSI Developer Blog http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/esbs-for-the-microsoft-net-platform/#comment-153 Simple Service Bus on CodePlex (a fork of nServiceBus) « HSI Developer Blog Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:53:30 +0000 http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/esbs-for-the-microsoft-net-platform/#comment-153 [...] Simple Service Bus. Simple Service Bus is a derivative of Udi Dahan’s nServiceBus, which I’ve mentioned before. I’ll be posting some more extended samples and documentation for using the new library, but [...] [...] Simple Service Bus. Simple Service Bus is a derivative of Udi Dahan’s nServiceBus, which I’ve mentioned before. I’ll be posting some more extended samples and documentation for using the new library, but [...]

]]> Comment on A new ISB (Internet Service Bus) in beta testing - Linxter by ESB’s for the Microsoft (.NET) Platform « HSI Developer Blog http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/a-new-isb-internet-service-bus-in-beta-testing-linxter/#comment-150 ESB’s for the Microsoft (.NET) Platform « HSI Developer Blog Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:02:47 +0000 http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/a-new-isb-internet-service-bus-in-beta-testing-linxter/#comment-150 [...] Another ISB in beta, this service is similar ( I think ) to the core purpose of BizTalk services (hosted, secure messaging across the open Internet), with a slightly different feature set. I posted about Linxter here. [...] [...] Another ISB in beta, this service is similar ( I think ) to the core purpose of BizTalk services (hosted, secure messaging across the open Internet), with a slightly different feature set. I posted about Linxter here. [...]

]]> Comment on Fine, SOA may not be a City. What about a religion? by Nathan http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/fine-soa-may-not-be-a-city-what-about-a-religion/#comment-145 Nathan Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:45:36 +0000 http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/fine-soa-may-not-be-a-city-what-about-a-religion/#comment-145 Probably not a problem limited to SOA - I imagine OOP went through similar pains. I feel for all those misunderstood acronyms, especially once they fall into the hands of the marketers and have their meaning and lifeforce sucked right out of them. Eventually the marketers tire of them, and then, slowly, they become real again. Probably not a problem limited to SOA - I imagine OOP went through similar pains. I feel for all those misunderstood acronyms, especially once they fall into the hands of the marketers and have their meaning and lifeforce sucked right out of them. Eventually the marketers tire of them, and then, slowly, they become real again.

]]> Comment on Fine, SOA may not be a City. What about a religion? by Nathan http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/fine-soa-may-not-be-a-city-what-about-a-religion/#comment-144 Nathan Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:43:57 +0000 http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/fine-soa-may-not-be-a-city-what-about-a-religion/#comment-144 It was in the spam filter. Wonder why? It was in the spam filter. Wonder why?

]]> Comment on Fine, SOA may not be a City. What about a religion? by Rob Eamon http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/fine-soa-may-not-be-a-city-what-about-a-religion/#comment-142 Rob Eamon Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:41:08 +0000 http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/fine-soa-may-not-be-a-city-what-about-a-religion/#comment-142 (Have had trouble leaving a comment. Apologies if this is a duplicate.) "...assuming his understanding is the original understanding, that the original “scope independent” definition he has laid out for the term SOA." The original Gartner-defined scope was SOA as an application architecture. Other analysts, most notably Anne Thomas Manes (http://atmanes.blogspot.com/) of Burton Group, scope SOA similarly to your view--at the enterprise level only. I've been promoting a scope-neutral view of SO since various people and groups want to use the SOA term at different levels. Indeed, I wouldn't mind if the term SOA simply disappeared! http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/service-orientated-architecture/message/9670 Like you, I long for an unambiguous and clear definition of SOA that is widely accepted. Alas, such a monster does not exist and so when someone mentions the term SOA, it is the wise analyst that asks them exactly how *they* define it, at what level of scope, etc. (Have had trouble leaving a comment. Apologies if this is a duplicate.)

“…assuming his understanding is the original understanding, that the original “scope independent” definition he has laid out for the term SOA.”

The original Gartner-defined scope was SOA as an application architecture. Other analysts, most notably Anne Thomas Manes (http://atmanes.blogspot.com/) of Burton Group, scope SOA similarly to your view–at the enterprise level only. I’ve been promoting a scope-neutral view of SO since various people and groups want to use the SOA term at different levels.

Indeed, I wouldn’t mind if the term SOA simply disappeared!
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/service-orientated-architecture/message/9670

Like you, I long for an unambiguous and clear definition of SOA that is widely accepted. Alas, such a monster does not exist and so when someone mentions the term SOA, it is the wise analyst that asks them exactly how *they* define it, at what level of scope, etc.

]]> Comment on Fine, SOA may not be a City. What about a religion? by SOA, ESBs and JBOWS, oh my! « HSI Developer Blog http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/fine-soa-may-not-be-a-city-what-about-a-religion/#comment-132 SOA, ESBs and JBOWS, oh my! « HSI Developer Blog Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:41:15 +0000 http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/fine-soa-may-not-be-a-city-what-about-a-religion/#comment-132 [...] anyway, this may or may not resemble what people mean when they talk about SOA, but it is what I have managed to glean, academically speaking, from all the shrapnel that is [...] [...] anyway, this may or may not resemble what people mean when they talk about SOA, but it is what I have managed to glean, academically speaking, from all the shrapnel that is [...]

]]> Comment on SOA, ESBs and JBOWS, oh my! by Nathan http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/soa-esbs-and-jbows-oh-my/#comment-131 Nathan Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:31:44 +0000 http://hsidev.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/soa-esbs-and-net-oh-my/#comment-131 Rob, I responded with a new post. Thanks for the debate, It's been englightening. Rob, I responded with a new post. Thanks for the debate, It’s been englightening.

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